tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post4342495329318498740..comments2024-02-14T04:53:18.295-08:00Comments on Singapore Dissident: Singapore. How to avoid national service (Disclaimer 02/06/2014)Gopalan Nairhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15399145588654603667noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-40063986064647784262017-05-13T10:59:04.060-07:002017-05-13T10:59:04.060-07:00Im going to canada to study and then stay there, I...Im going to canada to study and then stay there, I am 15. Will it work? Or what must i doAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-42914252767793404322017-02-07T15:45:53.744-08:002017-02-07T15:45:53.744-08:00This is rather hazardous, if well intentioned advi...This is rather hazardous, if well intentioned advice. To other readers please do a lot of research. Far too many sons are stuck away from Singapore not able to visit their older relatives for fear of prison.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-55348653760516312372016-01-18T18:23:34.442-08:002016-01-18T18:23:34.442-08:00Same issue here, I left Singapore with my parents ...Same issue here, I left Singapore with my parents at age 15 and am now 37. I have been a citizen of the US for over 15 years. Will the Singapore gov allow me to renounce my singapore citizenship and if so will I be able to visit singapore after?Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173409901579951886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-53481706108763000822016-01-18T18:21:43.592-08:002016-01-18T18:21:43.592-08:00Same issue here,
I left singapore with my family a...Same issue here,<br />I left singapore with my family at age 15 and have been a US citizen for over 20 years. Will the singapore gov allow me to reounce my singapore citizenship now? And if so will I be able to visit singapore after?<br />Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01173409901579951886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-79749597101145049322015-04-27T08:13:06.373-07:002015-04-27T08:13:06.373-07:00Hi,
I left singapore with my twin brother when we...Hi,<br /><br />I left singapore with my twin brother when we were 13 .. <br /><br />We ended up getting our NZ passport and have not returned to Singapore since the age of 17... or Singapore passport is expire..<br /><br />my question is. Can fly transit through singapore with my British or NZ passpiort? or will i get in trouble and asked to do national service?<br /><br />Also, am i still liable to do National service? or do i have to renounce my passporteathemonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13410705758684896955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-404770108609592752014-11-17T05:44:51.577-08:002014-11-17T05:44:51.577-08:00I have a question. What happens if the student wan...I have a question. What happens if the student wanting to leave Singapore due to its policies and practices, and legal NS requirements go against said religious beliefs. <br /><br />Assuming the said person is below the age of 18, but has successfully been admitted to an US university. What would be the recommended course of action? Generally, this blog suggests said person to apply for a US visa( Which sents said student right into the legal minefield the US embassy seems to process. Can the student apply for a US visa through an overseas embassy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-23782623752941668412014-11-09T07:58:28.562-08:002014-11-09T07:58:28.562-08:00I have the same problem. Born in Singapore, emmigr...I have the same problem. Born in Singapore, emmigrated to Netherlands at the age of 9. Never formally renounced my Singapore nationality whatsoever (I was a child and didn't know what to do, my parents didn't help me with this). I have been a Dutch (Netherlands) citizen for the past 23 years and have never returned to Singapore since. I really wonder if I can legally return to Singapore for holiday. It's time to go 'home'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-35516590772167490672014-09-15T01:15:14.529-07:002014-09-15T01:15:14.529-07:00Hey, I was born in Singapore. Immigrated to the UK...Hey, I was born in Singapore. Immigrated to the UK with my family at the age of 10. I have been a British citizen with a British passport for the past 20 years. I've never registered for my NRIC as I was too young. Can I visit Singapore without any recriminations?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13588009364018526116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-26518134471425908582014-08-19T02:13:59.786-07:002014-08-19T02:13:59.786-07:00Hi,
Child born in Canada by a Singaporean mum. Wh...Hi,<br /><br />Child born in Canada by a Singaporean mum. What will be the child citizenship? By Descent, he/she will be Singaporean is it?<br /><br />Understand that parents will need to register within one year of the child's birth. If it is not registered, meaning the child will not own Singapore Citizenship is it?<br /><br />If it is a girl, there is not much problem. Reason is, I don't want my son to serve NS.<br /><br />Any advices. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-72329832465415019642014-07-19T22:10:30.314-07:002014-07-19T22:10:30.314-07:00Gopal bro,
Need help as you're an expert. My ...Gopal bro,<br /><br />Need help as you're an expert. My son is going to be born. Wife is non-Singaporean. I'm Singaporean and serve the shit NS for 2.5 years and at 36 stills erving fucking reservist. Bro, my son is going to be born in 4 months time. How can I avoid this for him? Im planning for the child to give birth in the mother's country but I can't witness the delivery as i'm working in Singapore and can't get leave for this in January 2015. We plan to leave Singapore after I completed my part time studies here and look for a job in the mother's home country. I want to witness the child born here. Don't want to miss it. Can the child be born here and then 3 years later, we leave....would child need to NS later in life? If child born here, would child be Singaporean? Could I ask the embassy here for the mother to register child as non-Singaporean? Mom is Japanese. Bro, please help. I wrote to you sometime ago about moving to Oz but this didn't work as I've no experience there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-50462428115141990622014-06-03T03:50:35.842-07:002014-06-03T03:50:35.842-07:00If a boy is 11 years old and is already studying i...If a boy is 11 years old and is already studying in an international school but leaves Singapore before the age of 13, does the boy have any chance to avoid NS without needing exit permits and bond? How to avoid this damn service? Singaporeans are a minority in their own country. Who wants to waste 2 years in the service? Govt refuses to shorten the period to one year!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-40432035746565206012014-03-18T03:14:51.683-07:002014-03-18T03:14:51.683-07:00Help? Please? I'm taking my Os and I want to m...Help? Please? I'm taking my Os and I want to move to canada afterwards to study and live and never return. What do I have to do? I'd be going there with my Singapore passport and if I try to renounce it id have to come back here. What do I do? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-81535675381562486772014-02-09T20:24:16.829-08:002014-02-09T20:24:16.829-08:00To Anonymous who said
"Can I even renounce ...To Anonymous who said <br /><br />"Can I even renounce my Singapore citizenship after all these years abroad?"<br /><br />Sorry. If you do return, as long as the present laws remain, you will have to pay a fine or worse, go to jail. You can then renounce your citizenship and visit on your foreign passportGopalan Nairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399145588654603667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-18933000754692120992014-02-09T12:45:03.166-08:002014-02-09T12:45:03.166-08:00Can I even renounce my Singapore citizenship after...Can I even renounce my Singapore citizenship after all these years abroad? I haven't served NS but I'm past the age where I can serve. I left in my mid teens. Even though I have no wish to go back there to work, but I would prefer the choice to able to go visit without any recriminations.<br /><br />Any advice here Goplan?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-79279658116084513112014-02-09T02:47:01.045-08:002014-02-09T02:47:01.045-08:00I was a landlord to a couple, Singaporean adult un...I was a landlord to a couple, Singaporean adult university students, the wife was pregnant and wanted to stayed on in Australia to give birth when they found out that they were having a boy. But they found out that the boy has to live in Australia before he will be granted citizenship at his 10th birthday. I was not sure what happened because they left my property soon after graduation. They wanted to apply for PR and asked my property manager for letter to showed that they were good tenants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-29209107830305644392014-02-09T01:29:56.745-08:002014-02-09T01:29:56.745-08:00The easiest) way to not serve National Service is ...The easiest) way to not serve National Service is not through severing your ties with Singapore when you are 18 years old, but when you are 0 years old!<br /><br />Your parents should have given birth to you in USA (or Canada, or in fact, any country in the entire South America continent). Then you would be an American (or a Canadian etc) Citizen by birth! This is called <b><i>Jus Soli</i></b>, and is part of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Gopalan can tell us more about that, since it is his area of expertise.<br /><br />Lots of Taiwanese and Korean parents have been doing just that for the past 30 years for the purpose of ensuring that their sons need not serve National Service. Lots of undocumented immigrants from South America do that too and it's called the "Anchor Baby" phenomenon (again, Gopalan knows more and can elaborate about this, if he wishes). And now, mainland Chinese are doing that too - to circumvent China's one-child policy.<br /><br />But Singaporeans are gutless and ball-less. The idea of giving birth in United States (or Canada, or any South American country) is so alien to these sheep that even after they read what I wrote here, they won't do it! So, well, too bad then - while young men in Taiwan and Korea have been escaping their respective National Service, young men in Singapore have to find ways to escape NS, 18 years too late!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-37133443721383969492014-02-09T01:24:40.378-08:002014-02-09T01:24:40.378-08:00To Anonymous who said
" Your advice is compl...To Anonymous who said<br /><br />" Your advice is completely unworkable!" <br /><br />What you say is incorrect. <br /><br />The US government is not ordinarily obliged to ensure that you have complied with Singapore's Enlistment Act. As along as you have been accepted by the US University and have an I-20 which shows your financial ability, there is nothing under US law to prevent you entering the US for an education. <br /><br />Of course any US Consulate abroad may decide themselves to ensure the domestic laws of the foreign country are complied with. If this is the case with the US Embassy in Singapore, I agree this creates a unique problem only in the Singapore case which does not apply in other countries. <br /><br />I would be surprised if the US Embassy in Singapore is interested in ensuring that a student proceeding to the USA has complied with Singapore's national service requirements which is something they are not ordinarily required to do. <br /><br />As to your point that the student should not lie to an officer at the US port of entry by saying his intention is to visit and subsequently change his mind and apply for a student visa, what you say is correct but for the wrong reasons. <br /><br />Singapore is a visa waiver country and as such, he cannot apply for change of status to student while within the US, unlike countries that require a visa which will enable him to change status to student after arrival in the US. <br /><br />If indeed the US Embassy does insist that you produce proof that you have complied with the Singapore enlistment act, there is still a way around this. <br /><br />The trick is obtain a US Visitor's visa even though Singaporeans do not need a visa for a 90 days entry. <br /><br />You can apply for a visa by saying you need to visit the US for more than 90 days or because you need to attend a short course, say for 4 months which does not need a student visa. <br /><br />Once you do get the visa, you can then come in on your visitor status and apply to change status to Student while you are in the US. This is one way to get round the US Embassy/ Singapore Enlistment Act problem. <br /><br />As for your mention that I am an officer of the court, I would like to think that as a good lawyer, my job is to help the client to see the loopholes. Which explains why I am no longer a lawyer in Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore where I would probably have to do as you say. Remember, I am an Attorney in the United States where there are lawyers like me. <br /><br />But not surprisingly you won't find a lawyer like me in Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore. Gopalan Nairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15399145588654603667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-51341219151409261792014-02-09T00:50:51.900-08:002014-02-09T00:50:51.900-08:00Your advice is completely unworkable!
1. ALL inte...Your advice is completely unworkable!<br /><br />1. ALL international students must present their properly-endorsed I-20 form to their universities before the universities will allow them to matriculate / register for classes. The United States Department of State require this of ALL universities, the purpose of which is to ensure that all international students are accounted for and none ends up, say, working, instead of studying at the universities. I am surprise you know not of this.<br /><br />2. But to get the I-20 properly endorsed at the arriving airport, the international student must first have the accompanying F-1 visa issued by the American Embassy.<br /><br />3. But, the American Embassy in Singapore will NOT issue an F-1 visa unless a male Singaporean can document his National Service status satisfactorily i.e. a letter from the Ministry of Defence certifying that he has completed his full-time National Service or that he is allowed to disrupt from NS, AND the presentation of a valid Exit Permit!!!<br /><br />This is not my hear-say. As an immigration lawyer, you ought to know point 1 and 2 , and you can read about point 3 yourself from the website of the American Embassy in Singapore. This is clearly a diplomatic agreement between the 2 governments i.e. the PAP government has long anticipated and closed this potential loop-hole.<br /><br /><br />So, any poor Singapore student who naively follows your advice will end up having his visa application denied by the American Embassy, due to his inability to produce the said letter and Exit Permit issued by Singapore's Ministry of Defence. Worse, if he chooses to not apply for an F-1 visa, but to instead lie to the consular officer at the airport that he is entering the United States for tourism purpose (are you aware this is what you are suggesting, totally in contravention to your status as an officer of the court?), the poor student will be denied matriculation / registration by his university and will have to return back to Singapore (after visiting you at your law office to give you a earful? *grin*)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-64602155548271222132014-02-08T06:10:45.346-08:002014-02-08T06:10:45.346-08:00I emigrated to Canada with my son who was 16 at th...I emigrated to Canada with my son who was 16 at the time. We received a letter asking him to register for NS. We tried to do it on line but couldn't because it kept asking for guarantors or $70K bond. <br /><br />I wrote a letter saying that I don't know of anybody who can guarantee or have $70K for the bond. CMPB replied that my son has to renounce his citizenship at 21 years of age , otherwise he has to return to do his NS.<br /><br />By this time he had turned 21, he already obtained his Canadian passport, and was so glad to renounce. We wrote a letter to CMPB informing them of the renunciation and asking for a letter of Non-Liability for NS. <br /><br />Canada has given us a much better life compared to the discrimination, oppression and just plain rude and uncourteous Singapore. The people here are polite and the govt takes care of her people. We are truly blessed to be here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-85196987873626908332014-02-06T21:58:29.358-08:002014-02-06T21:58:29.358-08:00These possible?
If a Singapore male has not enjoy...These possible?<br /><br />If a Singapore male has not enjoy the fruits of the PAP govt, eg he has not started local schooling or own his own NRIC, I think he will not be liable for NS. Am I correct?<br /><br />As for those foreign talents who are Singapore PRs, It is easier for them to skip NS and apply for overseas university and work there a few years while getting their citizenship. Then they return to Singapore for visits using their newly acquired passport as a tourist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-82131588488378331812014-02-06T20:56:41.322-08:002014-02-06T20:56:41.322-08:00A passport and a return ticket? Why? After i apply...A passport and a return ticket? Why? After i apply for asylum can i apply for US PR? And will applying to asylum affect my future?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8081742307252789733.post-64922692823020644522014-02-06T08:31:32.500-08:002014-02-06T08:31:32.500-08:00Albert Einstein also escaped from Germany's NS...Albert Einstein also escaped from Germany's NS by running to Switzerland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com